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Homosexual and Masturbatory Sex Magic

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.tantra,alt.pagan.magick,talk.religion.misc,alt.magick.sex,alt.religion.sexuality
From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode)
Subject: Re: Homosexual and Masturbatory Sex Magic (De Arte Magica?; was Laziness triumphs)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:31:27 GMT

50000822 Vom

papaj418@aol.com (Papaj418):
>tyagi sed:

'nagasiva' is fine, thanks.

nagasiva:
>> does it directly address either masturbation or homosexual sex
>> magic?

> It "directly" approaches nothing. However, 
> refs to "the Lion" and "the Eagle" which
> indicate that the said Eagle may be 
> dispensed with, but not the Lion, suggest
> masturbation in the male, the white lion
> having often been equated with the male
> element. (Chapter XI)

a mention, yes.

> Further, Chapter XIII seems rather obviously
> to refer to masturbation in order to create
> useful demons. YMMV, but it looks rather
> straightforward to me.....

black magic, by Crowleyan standards. he doesn't
make much mention of practical or even theoretical
details surrounding masturbation. that is, I do
not think that Crowley "covers" the subject here,
other than mentioning that the "Gluten" of women
('Eagles' generally) does not contain magical
substance (something for which Grant will later
make up through his obsession with it as a magical
substance; perhap also see Bertiaux).

> As far as the XI degree and homosexuality,
> I have admitted that I may have been 
> mistaken about its import, but whatever it
> is, it is also covered in de Arte Magica.

I think equating a mention to a coverage is
mistaken. Crowley avoids, at least in his
overt text and even in this particular essay,
any description of how masturbation or
homosexuality might become part of his magicK.

"De Arte Magica" is primarily concerned with
a description of heterosexual sex magicK,
about which Crowley wrote precious little in
any quantity. it is left for those such as
Spare and subsequent authors to focus on 
autosexual endeavours and Grant and his 
wake to correct Crowley concerning the value
and power of Gluten (female sexual effluvia).

Savory (breast milk) and PBRandolph (bodily
energies) come close, but do not venture into
this more forbidden territory. probably those
tantrics who might write about the quasi-
pranic 'charge' of sexual fluids and hadn't
locked into the male-centered perspective of
practice might posit something similar, but
I'm unsure of reliable references to such
theories. Grant ostensibly draws from such
sources, but I'm unsure of how much stock to
place in his assertions from a sociocultural
(as compared to fabricated -- e.g. Levi)
and anthropological standpoint. I don't
remember anything from Taoist sources on the
magical or chi-filled feminine fluids.
 
nagasiva
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