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Alliette and Tarot de Marseille

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.tarot,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.divination
From: nagasiva 
Subject: Alliette and Tarot de Marseille
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:00:19 GMT

50031123 chaos day -- the Etteilla deck is extremely amusing.
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MARSEILLE       vs.    ALLIETTE'S CARDS AND ATTRIBUTES (1785)
1700s IMAGES ## -- ## (Name, -------- Inverse)  ZODIACAL SIGN
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MOUNTEBANK    I -- 15 (Illness,       Illness)           --
PAPESS       II --  8 (Etteilla,      Female Querent) SCORPIO
EMPRESS     III --  6 (Night,         Day)              VIRGO
EMPEROR      IV --  7 (Support,       Protection)       LIBRA
POPE          V --  1 (Etteilla,      Male Querent)     ARIES
LOVERS       VI -- 13 (Marriage,      Union)             --
CHARIOT     VII -- 21 (Dissension,    Dissension)        --
JUSTICE    VIII --  9 (Justice,       Jurist)        AQUARIUS
HERMIT       IX -- 18 (Traitor,       Traitor)           --
WHEEL         X -- 20 (Fortune,       Increase)          --
STRENGTH     XI -- 11 (Strength,      Monarch)    SAGITTARIUS
TRAITOR     XII -- 12 (Prudence,      The People)      PISCES
DEATH      XIII -- 17 (Mortality,     Nothingness)       --
TEMPERANCE  XIV -- 10 (Temperance,    Priest)       CAPRICORN
DEVIL        XV -- 14 (Great Force,   Great Force)       --
TOWER       XVI -- 19 (Misery,        Prison)            --
STAR       XVII --  4 (Desolation,    Air)             CANCER
MOON      XVIII --  3 (Comments,      Water)           GEMINI
SUN         XIX --  2 (Enlightenment, Fire)            TAURUS 
JUDGMENT     XX -- 16 (Judgment,      Judgment)          --
WORLD       XXI --  5 (Voyage,        Earth)              LEO
FOOL       none -- 78 (Folly,         Folly)             --
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"The Influence of Etteilla and His School on Mathers & Waite"
Appendix C - Correspondences Between the Trumps of Etteilla's
Tarot and Those of the Tarot de Marseille", by James W. Revak
on the world-wide web http://www.villarevak.org/emw/emw_b.htm 
using the Decker & Dummett +Kaplan column, rather than Papus.
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again, the most compelling thing about this comparison is the
two areas of resonances: A) card character semblances: 9, 10,
11, 13, 16, 17, 20, and 78;
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Etteilla's Trumps' Resonance With the Tarot de Marseille Deck
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 9 (Justice,    Jurist)      --  AQUARIUS     JUSTICE    VIII
10 (Temperance, Priest)      --  CAPRICORN    TEMPERANCE  XIV
11 (Strength,   Monarch)     --  SAGITTARIUS  STRENGTH     XI 
13 (Marriage,   Union)       --               LOVERS       VI 
16 (Judgment,   Judgment)    --               JUDGMENT     XX 
17 (Mortality,  Nothingness) --               DEATH      XIII
20 (Fortune,    Increase)    --               WHEEL         X 
78 (Folly,      Folly)       --               FOOL       none
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B) the Hanged Man / Traitor / Hermit / Prudence entanglement:

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## (Etteilla Card, Inverse)  --  Zodiac Attr. Marseille    ##
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12 (Prudence,   The People)  --  PISCES       TRAITOR     XII 
          PRUDENCE is another name for   Hermit    (IX) 
18 (Traitor,    Traitor)     --               HERMIT       IX
          TRAITOR  is another name for Hanged Man (XII)
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11/23/2003 chaos day -- nagasiva -- corrections very welcome.

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