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Nature of Demons

To: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi
From: Rick 
Subject: Re: Nature of Demons (was: Re: subjective reality issues (again)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:14:40 GMT

Relayer wrote:
> > Rick wrote:

> Well, when I have deliberately externalised and anthropomorphised emotions
> like the ones you listed, the critter produced looks somewhat demonic and
> "infernal". Doing the same thing with more pleasant emotions yeilds a more
> "angelic" vision. Note that I am not confusing this technique with
> ceremonial evocation of angels and demons, but it does lead me to another
> question...

I should clarify that the list I posted was just an estimation of my
experience, the closest I can come to communicating what I experience as
"demons" with language. 
> Where do you draw the dividing line between angels and demons? 

I don't. In fact, my efforts at working with angels has never born
fruit. When I was committed to a ceremonial program, I gave daily effort
to it, and at times thought I had something going, but I've since
abandoned that effort and hindsight in light of my work since informs me
that I've communed with no angels. I can't say why that is for sure.
Plenty of people seem to have and on-going intercourse with them, but
not me. So I can't really distinguish between those two for you. I can,
however, speak of the differences between gods and demons.
> particular characteristics define the seperation... or is it an unbroken
> continuum from benefic to malefic? I'm not looking for answers based on TOL
> attributions here; to say that demon x exists exists because we recognise
> qlippoth x  seems to be synthesising a demon for the convenience of our
> systems (not that there's anything wrong with that.)

My work with demons takes on a somewhat primal form. The technique I
apply is difficult to describe, but the results are unmistakable, by
feel. Demons tend to color your senses in a particular way that, when it
happens, you know it's a demon. What I've already said of them is
probably the best I can do for now. 

Gods on the other hand have a very different feel, not as narrow and
defined as demons, not as singular in focus. There is a sense of
reciprocity with gods, a free-flowing exchange of some sort. It happens
naturally with gods, perhaps a by-product of achieving the right state
in which to perceive them. I think it would take a great effort to
establish the same kind of communion with a demon, and I think it would
be poisonous to both parties if it actually happened.   
> What is ythe difference between (say) Zabathiel and (say) Glasyabolas?

I'm unable to answer this, not having an actual relationship with

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