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Invitation to Enter Into a Partnership
To Create a Pilot Tiny House Village
Arcata City Council 12-6-17 AHHA Presentation By Board Members of AHHA Affordable Homeless Housing Alternatives FEATURES
Part A. Continuation AHHA PRESENTATION Part B
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not able to insert Power Point or other graphics to accompany following presentation Or make sure formatting is consistent Hope to remedy.; The transcript has been compared to the video. See below for how decisions made regarding the transcript. And youtube link for the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjZHecIAbs&feature=youtu.be <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjZHecIAbs&feature=youtu.be> Part A CONTINUATION Arcata City Council 12-6-17 Edie Jessup: (Former Board member AHHA) So, how is all this going to work? I'm gonna kind of go through it again so that you can have a better idea of how operations would work for the village. So building community is really the focus of AHHA's commitment with the homeless. and we'll accomplish that by co-managing the village. AHHA as the nonprofit working with the residents. Residents will participate in community agreements about living in the village, in maintaining the village and participating in programs . The village will remain cost-effective to run and cost-effective for residents with sliding scale fees. Volunteers are committed to investing time and materials to both construction and to leading programs. Service providers are committed to engaging on-site . AHHA has drafted an operations manual and there's a draft of that in your packet covering the essential issues AHHA understands as necessary to create and sustain a village. So the management of the village by AHHA will be based on site agreements with the owner of the property. Which if it happened to be the city of Arcata, we would make agreements with you about how that would work And by AHHA agreeing to be (the) responsible for the facility and other standard contract provisions as needed. The village will be based on low barrier admission. There will be an application form, needs assessment, medical assessment. And all residents must abide by the community agreement also in your packet. AHHA is committed to a village security plan that benefits the residents, the neighbors, and the larger community. AHHA plans to allow pets, providing kennels, vaccinations, licensing, and training as needed. So the AHHA village operations budget is lean for a year-long operation with 30 people on-site. It provides for two full-time employees and two trained volunteers so that there is 24/7 oversight of the village. Utilities, phones have been costed at 7700 per year. And immediate common facilities will be rented at first to provide sanitation, common meeting space, eating space, and office area. Supplies signage materials, etc. are minimal as we anticipate donations to cover most of these expenses. We've budgeted for transportation through bus vouchers and assume a bus stop near the site so residents can get to appointments and to work. Insurance has been costed by our carrier and we assume a 10% administrative cost. So the total cost for a year's operation would be somewhere around $90,000. For 30 residents, the fees would be around $3000 a year for a resident or $60 a week. And that would mean that in the second year, operations would be nearly self-sustaining. In order to keep the costs very low, the village would depend on partners to provide services that we need. so food is an essential attribute of the village and we are part of Food for People's nonprofit network which allows us to purchase food at a low cost per pound price. We would assure that residents who were eligible for CalFresh were connected with that possibility for food. And we have a plan for a community garden that would help feed the residents. Arcata House Partnership has agreed to provide case management and support to us for this endeavor as well as the County for case management. And Open Door and DHHS mental health outreach programs agree to on-site services. Resident programs will be based upon the needs that the residents identify themselves. And all will participate in weekly community leadership meetings. Harm-reduction is the program model regarding addiction that the village will use. And as AHHA grows the village from tents to detached bedrooms, AHHA has commitment from volunteer builders and contractors and will engage the residents in that building. So, how will we fund such an operation? We have lightly engaged in fundraising and applied for numerous grants. The grant providers have all said that they would be interested in funding the village but only after we have a site secured. We anticipate grant funding sufficient to get the village up and running year one. AHHA we'll help residents access monthly income that they're entitled to and when appropriate assist with work readiness. We have a lot of in-kind donations promised to the village from local businesses and volunteers. In the second year, we anticipate being eligible for federal funding for operations. And this income projection would cover $92,000 in expenses and is based on our ability to lease a currently undeveloped piece of land for a dollar a year and have the permission to access city services. AHHA envisions that within a year, a community of thirty formerly homeless residents will thrive and be good neighbors. So we hope that's what it looks like. We have contacted some of the neighbors at Aldergrove and begun a conversation with them. We'll be frank. The first conversations have been mixed. However, AHHA plans to pursue the discussion based upon our intent on the village being good neighbors., Michael Avcollie: (Board Member of AHHA) Going to point to the parcels in question. Those [ ] green outlines. Those are the city properties. And this was just a quick scan of GIS information available from the county's website. And it shows red line is the county bus HTA line with the blue dot being a bus stop very proximate to the location. It also shows city boundary in pink. And the blue line running through is city of Arcata's transit system. So it will allow residents to be connected to transit. Another thing that we looked at... the red triangle is a utility transformer so there is also power available at the site. That's just a cursory review of resources available but we found that encouraging. Nezzie Wade: (Board President of AHHA) We didn't say this before but because we'll have a large number of volunteers we will also have regular ongoing volunteer training options for anyone who wants to participate. Then that would involve members of the community assisting in workshops or coming to learn from members of the community that we expect that that will be something that will happen regularly. AHHA's partners... you can see there are some of them up there. AHHA PARTNERS - Partial List
Saint Vincent de Paul has And our request for the city of Arcata is to engage with us to create a village for currently homeless. And we remind you that back in February of this year we wrote to you and applauded you for the high priority goal number nine which was for the housing element to make amendments and develop some strategies for all housing market levels particularly in terms of affordability. And the second part of that was to identify incentives and potential sites for low-income housing options inclusive of nonconventional types like Opportunity village. We attended the study session in which that goal was developed...or discussed. And we're very fortunate...we think...to be here having this conversation with you now because the next step is maybe a longer better more in-depth conversation around what is really possible for the city. Also the Arcata site that we suggested in Aldergrove...as you know...we've studied...and have found that it would need some mitigation. There isn't any reason unless there isn't a possibility of another site. But we would encourage you also to think about another site and start working with us as soon as possible beginning in January 2018. So we thank you and we're happy to answer any questions that you might have in the spirit of what Arcata has the ability to do. PART B
FEATURES Susan Ornelas (Mayor): Thank you Nezzie Wade: Thank you Susan Ornelas: Do council members have questions? Paul Pitino (City Council Member): Yeah this is...I want to say a nice coming ogether of an idea that happened a few years ago when Andrew came here to Eureka. And then we had him here to the community center. It seems like unless we take some action we're going to be at this same place many years from now talking about this. And we have a parcel...parcels. And we have it looks like partners that we didn't have before. And maybe flushing this out a little bit more... making...getting it into a detailed form so we understand what the real cost will be and where we could actually do this would be a great next step from here. So I support that. And I'd like to see us move forward with some sort of a community discussion study session...a plan that ends up with a plan for us to have some low-cost housing for homeless. And I'm just not seeing any other alternatives out there. So I really am happy that AHHA's continued to work on this and is making a presentation. You know. I'm impressed with it. We just did this locally. And anybody that takes the opportunity to see the village in Eugene or like villages can understand how it really works. And when you talk to the population that's there. You say, "Why are you here?" And they say, "Because I'm safe and I've got a place to live." So I guess that's all I have to say at the moment. Michael Winkler (Vice-Mayor): Well it looks like a very interesting presentation. I'm extremely skeptical about the specific proposed site. I think one thing that's important is for people to be independent is be able to travel on their own. So being much closer to downtown, an area where people could walk or easily bicycle, I think would be a much better idea than being dependent upon transit, So one area that occurs to me pretty immediately would be in a portion of the Little Lake property adjacent to the proposed dog park. And you know if people for instance have dogs, the dogs could go there immediately. And people could walk to downtown o that is something. It just seems like an incompatible use to be in an industrial area which we're trying to develop for economic development. So I would be much more inclined if it were proposed for the Little Lake property. Which you've also been a strong advocate for. Brett Watson (City Council Member): I agree with both councilmember Pitino and councilmember Winkler's comments. Sofia Pereira (City Council Member): Well I just want to say thank you. I agree that definitely some more details would be helpful. But I do want to commend you for the level of detail that you've provided. I still need to you know dive in and read and read the full operations manual. But I really appreciate that you provided that to us. Because I think it is helpful to kind of get a sense of you know what this could really look like. And if it's all right I just have some questions. I guess you probably knew I had lots of questions. Some of my first questions are around fundraising. And so I definitely understand kind of this catch-22...the chicken or the egg. Do you have the place for us to do the fundraising? Or at least from my perspective...my vantage point...seeing that there are you know a number of pledges already in place to make that happen. So I recognize that you may not have necessarily done a large fundraising campaign. But given that you've given us some numbers you know... Where are you at in terms of pledges? Nezzie Wade: Well as Edie mentioned, our biggest stumbling block. We have lots of possibility. And we've applied for lots of grants that they said if we had a secure site it would not be a problem. But because we don't have a secure site. And actually I'd just like to interject a little something. Finding a site is difficult right now. The county is working on finding a site for an emergency shelter. And it's been a nightmare. So you can imagine for somebody like us how long we've been trying to find a site that if... But if we had it, the grants that we have applied for would already be ours. Sofia Pereira: I guess ballpark even if you... Let's say a site was secured. And you applied for those grants, would that total to the amount that's saying that this is how much it would cost or what other fundraising would need to happen? Nezzie Wade: We would still need to do fundraising. But yes that would increase probably very rapidly. We have a lot of people that are just waiting to see what happens. W've been offered funds but we haven't taken them also because we didn't want to not make good on them Sofia Pereira: So no I get that. I think just what's helpful in terms of recognizing that this would be public land and in essence government subsidy for it. I think it's just helpful to know if we were to move forward with something like this how long would it take to be able to raise those funds? Nezzie Wade: Well I think if we use Opportunity Village in Eugene as an example, they had a similar situation. Their City Council approved a site. And also by the way Michael, a light industrial sites for these things are not uncommon, They're considered to be areas where they actually are good because they're they're somewhat out of the fray and allow for some modicum of you know privacy. And also they've been very successful at zero police calls and being really good neighbors. In fact I'll tell you when we had a conversation with one of the neighbors out there, they said. "Wow it would be great to have neighbors because we've had things stolen from here because there's nobody who lives here at night. That might be a really good thing." So that was one of the comments and it works that way actually. So it's not such a bad thing That might not be a very good site. There might be a better one but just for your thinking about maybe being an inappropriate place and actually many of them are actually being placed in those kinds of environments. Sofia Pereira: Thank you. Just out of curiosity the federal funding source... you said that in the second year that would be possible to be eligible for federal funding. I'll just saying general I'm skeptical about federal funding right now for housing. I guess we all are. But my question was if you know if that is a competitive grant process and who else would be eligible for that type of grant funding to just get a sense of if other service providers would be competing for those same dollars or not. Nezzie: Probably not. Some of the ones that we would be applying for... Edie Jessup (AHHA Board Member): There's federal operational money for shelter and transitional housing that we think that would be or that I have experience of being funded for something like this. Also our support from Arcata House Partnership might be an additional partnership with them for handling some of that also. They do have... Darlene has great experience with that. Sofia Pereira: Absolutely. Edie: I have both detailed budget that I can have you take a look at...would be happy to get that to you. And honestly I think that if we do the fee schedule that I talked about with 30 residents that we'd probably be very close to self-sustaining with it. Nezzie: And also if we go by the examples that exist. Opportunity Village is able to have 30 to 35 residents. Their costs are about three dollars a day per resident. They pay two [dollars] - and the resident pays one [dollar]. So they're able to do because it's an experiment of living with much less in a way that works because it's communal and a lot of other things. Sofia Pereira: So okay thank you Sorry I have a few more questions. I just don't want to forget anything. So, looking at the contract just briefly. And it talking about that this would be a contract between the city and AHHA. But given that there's other service providers that would be involved. I guess I just didn't know if from these other models if there's been any recommendations on mediation or conflict resolution if service providers are doing work or there's disagreements on that service delivery. I'm not sure what... I can't get think of a specific example. Nezzie: Most the time providers work out their own contracts. That's all I can say. Sofia Pereira: Okay. So that would just be with you as the contractor. I guess I just didn't know if that would be just also clarified somewhere. That's just something that came to mind just in terms of these partnerships. Let's see....and then given that this is considered transitional housing. And forgive me if that's in here talking about what the average length of stay is or the expectation of... Nezzie: Transitional housing probably isn't the best word for that. It would be more like a temporary or interim housing. At Opportunity Village and other places where it's been working for a while so they have some good track record the average stay is about nine months. And some people are just a touchstone... I shouldn't say the average.... but some people just use it as a touchstone and they're gone. But we also are facing a situation where housing is challenging. It's very challenging. So we're anticipating... We've always thought of our project as a housing continuum. So, it begins here where we have an ability to get people just into safe dry places, a legal camp for example. And move that along towards a tiny house village where the structures are permanent but it's a temporary facility. They can be moved as Michael said. And then moving that on down the line at some point to something that we really need and remains affordable like cooperative housing. Sofia Pereira: Got it. Okay thank you. and then also just didn't know. In the beginning showing like a sanctuary camp idea. What is kind of the timeline or vision of this starting out with tents? And then when would they be transitioning to tiny homes? Nezzie Wade: It's all different. In Opportunity Village they just spent most of their time preparing the site and building off-site in a modular fashion. And it wasn't until about the eighth month of working on the site and doing all that that they began to construct the houses. So you can build on-site or off-site. It depends on what kind of facility you have and support you have to do that. It's probably easier to build off-site and bring that than to build on-site and try and move that somewhere Sofia Pereira: Got it. Well you made it through my questions. Nezzie: Oh come on. Give me one more. Sofia Pereira: Honestly, I guess generally I have a question about.... you don't have to answer this right away...but the flooding issue. I'm just curious to kind of hear more about that and what that really looks like. Thank you. Susan Ornelas: Maybe hang there for a little bit. I have a few questions. I just wanted to clarify what we're talking about. So we're talking about those Alder Grove two lots that the city has . Were you looking to try to get both lots? And are they an acre each? Nezzie Wade: We were only talking about... Susan: One lot? Nezzie Wade: Yeah. And the diagram that you saw in our slide show is actually only for half of that lot... assuming that the other half might be utilized for the utility of what it takes to create the village. Susan Ornelas: What term lease are you looking for? Nezzie Wade: We mentioned that in order for us to garner the kind of funding that we would really go for, the funders would like to see site control for a period of at least three to five years. So that's kind of what it would be. Susan Ornelas: And then you mentioned access to city services. And so I was wondering are you hoping for like free hook-up or free services or... I wasn't clear about what you're really talking about. Nezzie Wade: We would have to patch into them. And I know when I was here before you asked a question about interim services... what you would do for that. We actually asked a neighbor about that. And because he was not clear about the possibility of what could happen because it's not a building that's owned or the property's not owned by this person. It's a leased situation...that we couldn't get an answer to that. But if we know where they are and we can utilize them... One of my questions would be, Where are the sewer lines? If there are sewer lines there, where are they? Susan Ornelas: So just to kind of be able to answer my question. You're wondering where the services are but then if you hook up to them, you're thinking that you would pay the bill for that? Nezzie Wade: Yeah. Susan Ornelas: That's a thought. Nezzie Wade: And it depends on... we would love to have these conversations and things that we would be able to negotiate with the city and say, "You know you guys do this stuff all the time in public works and stuff. How could you help us manage to do that?" Not that you would have to take responsibility totally for it. But you're the ones who know...so. And, if you have resources or the ability to direct them, that would be helpful. Okay so you're hoping maybe to get a subsidized hookup, Is that what you just said? I'm just trying to get clear on what is the proposal. And I want to just let you know I'm an agreement with pretty much everyone's thoughts. Nezzie Wade: If we could bring in a power pole for example. That would be great because then that would be right there. I don't know where the power... Susan Ornelas: That's PG&E. But anyway yeah Nezzie Wade: But, yeah, that's true. It is. But it would still be city property. And so we would need to have the city working with us and understanding. We would need to understand what all that would entail. Susan Ornelas: Okay and then and then you're thinking about 30 residents on that acre Nezzie Wade: That's common. Susan Ornelas: That's what you're thinking of that as. Nezzie Wade: That's common. Susan Ornelas: Just want to get clarity on that. So then yeah. So, you're thinking three to five years. So, you're kind of like maybe get it set up. it's [or "as"] a tent. Maybe some tiny villages. But they're all potentially movable. Okay that helps me understand. Nezzie Wade: So, if the city decided that there was something they really wanted to do for economic development there, it wouldn't preclude you from being able to do that. I was always raised with the attitude by my father who was a farmer that as a steward, you leave things better than when you found them. So we would want to do something I know there's concerns. Like what happens if It doesn't work and you have all this on the site, what do you do? We would take care of it. You wouldn't have to worry about there being a problem for the city Susan Ornelas: Okay I do kind of agree with what councilmember Winkler said that somewhere closer to the city might work a little better for the people living there although you know a bus...I can kind of see that. But it does seem like it could be nice. And so well maybe be keeping our eye... I mean I thought the idea of Little Lake property. Although you know we're just going through a Brownfield study of that one right now so that may take some time before it's even available. Nezzie Wade: Well if there is something that appears to be better of course we would be interested. Susan Ornelas: Yeah well there might be other private properties possibly. I mean I want to talk about individual private properties here you know without their knowledge. But I've had private people say to me that they were interested in a small house village on their property some properties that are sort of close. Maybe we can talk about that sometime he'd...go talk to him and see if that makes any sense. Because I don't know what he was thinking. I don't know if he wanted to get paid a lot of money for that or if he just wanted to see the vision I wasn't really clear about that. So yeah I guess you know there's just been this a little bit of a concern with what like when we did the ABC building. And you get a lot of federal funding involved with things and sort of lose control of who actually moves in there. It ends up getting dictated to us and I think some people got frustrated with the ABC building that went in. Because that was homeless... and you know...new housing for homeless. I mean there's a lot of really good things about that. But only a couple of people were actually taken off the street in Arcata. And then when we moved other people in. And so that becomes an issue for people. So I'm just wondering how your thinking is. Nezzie Wade: One of the things that Andrew recommends....because this is a community driven initiative is to rely on the community. If the community sees that it works then they should sustain it. And so we would be really looking not just at government funding. In fact we would probably be better off to have a lot more foundation kind of funding and the kinds of things that would allow us the more freedom. Susan Ornelas: Okay I don't think I have too many more questions. I haven't had a chance to read the operation manual but thanks for giving it to us Nezzie Wade: Yes, it's adapted for whatever the project is. Paul Pitino: So the difference with village versus ABC is the village is self-governed with a non-profit...you...overseeing that to make sure that the self-governance actually works ABC doesn't have anything like that. They're just people the County sends in there. Nezzie Wade: They have staff there.... I understand... don't they So let me just let me just explain one thing. Okay. Part of the reason why this is such a good idea is because we don't have a lot of the resources that are needed to take care of people and people are really good at taking care of each other. They have to have the setting in which to do that though. And all shelters of however configuration should have the intention of creating community and connecting people to a situation where they can establish their connections to community so that they can become part of the larger community or have that. Which is one of the reasons why we have a countywide perspective. People should be able to be in the communities they want to be in. They're concentrated in areas now because there aren't things available for them in those communities. But with respect to support... we're talking about creating supportive communities where people really do support one another. And people who... just as an example... one of the things in the literature that this talks about from the research that's been done studying these things is that people who have been in homeless situations, the trauma of being homeless is something about... it's like being in the military and people recognizing that commonality. People who have been homeless recognize that same kind of shared experience with each other and it's a point for bonding and creating what might be the core of community. So there's some really good things about all of this. And we don't have enough case managers for everyone to have a case manager. But in these environments you can have case management and a very supportive community that has the intention of making sure that everybody has a plan and is getting the services they need and all of that. Susan Ornelas: So let me just ask staff something. Last time when we had that other presentation I thought we came to the conclusion that...if say...we wanted to do this... and we wanted to use one of these properties... that we would have to go to the Planning Commission with it. Because is it sort of adapting zoning? David Loya (Community Development Director ): Yes, that's correct. The zoning for that site wouldn't accommodate what's currently being proposed. If you'd like I can do a little more detailed analysis and bring back other alternatives. But if the option was to try and adapt that per zoning, then it would have to go through a Planning Commission process. Ultimately the council would approve the zoning change. Those parcels right now are also already zoned for SB2 zoning. Susan Ornelas: Emergency housing. David Loya: Emergency housing and homeless housing. And so I think that's why those parcels were selected by Jamie when he made his presentation thinking there would be a connection there. But there's really no connection. That's for a stick-built structure, emergency shelter type of housing. So I can come back with some more alternatives. Susan Ornelas: Hold on. Little Lakes. Is there any part of that that isn't being in the Brownfield study at this point? It's sort of the closer part of... [sounded like she said she wanted "clarity" or to be "clear"] David Loya: There's nowhere zoned for this kind of housing in the city of Arcata. I mean for all intents and purposes I think you know if you were to... And I haven't done a detailed analysis on this particular project. But for all intents and purposes, it equates to camping. And there's nowhere in the city where you can camp. And you don't have a campsite. So it would take some sort of modification of the municipal code or the land use code to accommodate this type of housing. Ultimately. Edie Jessup (AHHA board member): Would it make any difference if the city declared a shelter crisis? Nancy Diamond (City Attorney): We've looked a little bit into a Shelter Crisis Declaration and what that means. Eureka recently did it. And it's a mechanism under state law that allows for a duration (a fixed time period) the city to suspend the local building and zoning ordinances and codes and standards. You have to make findings of imminent need. But for the duration of that time period that's identified as the emergency, then the city can put to use any public facility for the housing. As I said it's durational. It's not permanent. And so the way Eureka used it was for... They were actually citing facilities in the coastal zone. And the Shelter Crisis Declaration does not suspend or preempt any of the state laws that apply. [Note from transcriber. Applies to some state laws. It's complicated.] [See below.] (b) The provisions of any state or local regulatory statute, regulation, or ordinance prescribing standards of housing, health, or safety shall be suspended to the extent that strict compliance would in any way prevent, hinder, or delay the mitigation of the effects of the shelter crisis. Political subdivisions may, in place of such standards, enact municipal health and safety standards to be operative during the housing emergency consistent with ensuring minimal public health and safety. The provisions of this section apply only to additional public facilities open to the homeless pursuant to this chapter. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?division=1.&chapter=7.8.&lawCode=GOV&title=2 So they went through an emergency waiver process from a coastal development permit for just the duration of the emergency. And then they also had.... Susan Ornelas: What was the duration? Nancy Diamond: They declared one year. And they had to amend their local specific plan. They had to amend their zoning ordinances. They had to actually during that time period put in infrastructure. And that was again only for the true emergency housing . To put in something that's not emergency would require the full analysis that David is just referring to. Paul Patino: Just for a little background. When Andrew Heben went to do this in Eugene... of course...the building code...the zoning didn't fly just like it doesn't here. So he went or... The city changed...made amendments to their zoning and basically permitted this sort of a camping situation. And so they just codified it. And you know it's not terribly complicated. I mean considering the other stuff that we're looking at right now, this is pretty small change. There is a pathway. David Loya: Yes there is. There absolutely is. Sofia Pereira: So I have a question around the housing strategic plan that we've made a priority for this year. But recognizing we've had obviously some other projects that have come up. Like the rent stabilization ordinance. David can you talk about that housing strategic plan and perhaps how these types of proposals fit into that plan. You know just thinking broadly about some of the other conversations that are happening in our community about even just market rate housing of just being able to have that bird's-eye view of being strategic about where we put things so that we really are maximizing the best use of each parcel. So just keeping that in mind I just didn't know if you had anything to to add about the strategic plan. David Loya: Yeah the the strategic plan really is still in concept and the scope of the work for that hasn't been fleshed out completely. But the idea really is to identify some key sites for particular types of housing. Identify the markets that are most in need. Try and develop strategies to actually provide that housing. Aligning some of our policy direction you know for specific areas that would facilitate the development of those kinds of projects. And so certainly low-income housing is included in that as you mentioned as market rate housing. One of the things that I think that has been ...that I'd like to include inoutcomes from the specific plan is a strategy for inclusionary zoning that actually works. The city had inclusionary zoning for a number of years and eventually abandoned it. Removing it from our regulations because it wasn't functional. And I think that in part it wasn't functional because we didn't have the the scale of development that made it affordable.... that made it pencil out. The city was really financially backing the inclusionary zoning projects that did work. And now that we're in post redevelopment era....post- CDBG-to-some-extent era. And the home program (our primary funding sources for these types of projects) are now limited. We have to find new strategies and so that's in part what the housing strategic plan would do. Certainly I haven't really envisioned it getting to the level of detail of permitting this particular type of housing in specific areas. But we could certainly include that. The idea was to develop some implementation measures that would identify the steps that would be necessary to do that. I don't know if you recall when we did our SB2 zoning. And/or when we developed the siting criteria for the Arcata Bay Crossing, it is a very challenging and lengthy process. And effectively what happens is that nobody wants it in their backyard. And so the the council will be faced with many complaints from folks who are in areas that include those sites that are being considered. And that was really the intent of SB 2 was to eliminate the NIMBYism associated with siting these facilities. Susan Ornelas: Nezzie, can you come up here and talk up there. Yeah. Thanks. Nezzie Wade: You said that part of the housing plan was low-income housing. Do you have provisions for extremely low-income housing? Because I say that seriously. Because even the low-income housing as we know it for the people that we work with and who are so challenged they can't even deal with low-income housing, even though it's subsidized and only a third of the rent needs to be paid when it's fair market rent. Two-thirds of the population out there cannot access that. So making a provision for something that actually really is for extremely low income would help address the homeless needs in Arcata more than almost anything. David Loya: Would you like me to address that? Susan Ornelas: Sure. David Loya: I think that the strategic plan would be looking at that in the inclusionary zoning requirements. Typically there's a tipping point depending on the number of units you provide for low, very low, extremely low-income housing. And with folks in this field that I've been talking to... I've been trying to brainstorm on the idea of providing for mixed income projects that would pencil. And some of the folks I'm talking to are really excited about the opportunity to be able to do that. For most developers there's kind of a time constraint, a money constraint, and the uncertainty constraint when they're dealing with trying to get a permit from the city. And limiting or eliminating any one of those makes a project work for them. If they don't know...If they're going to have to invest several hundred thousand dollars into design and permitting and that sort of thing, but they don't know what the outcome on the other side of that is they're a lot less likely to want to agree early in that process to providing for low-income housing. So one of the things the strategic plan is intended to do is to identify specifically the project types and have them pre-permitted. And then along with that the city would be identifying amenities that it would like to see in those projects if you want to get that pre-permitting. So you may have a site and you can come in and and go through the permit process to get whatever you want. Or if you want to provide what we've already established in our strategic plan, then you can get that without a permit. So that eliminates the uncertainty. They'd be willing to pay for that. And so in those you could include mixed income housing that would include very low or extremely low income housing depending on what the city specifies. That still wouldn't get you the numbers. Wouldn't get you thirty in an apartment complex for example. And this is a strategy for having very cost effective housing provision. So they're really two totally different kinds of solutions. Paul Pitino: So could we without making any kind of firm commitment have Community Development and AHHA work together on finding a parcel in Arcata that would work. And plan for how we write the ordinance....the zoning change in the ordinance...so that it would be allowed to be built. Because they've done what they can. So, now it's kind of up to us to say, "Okay." If we're ever gonna do this it has to be done with Community Development helping write the ordinance change to the land- use guide or whatever we need to change so that that kind of project can be built. And then identifying what piece of city property because expecting some private person to do it is just not going to happen. Identifying the city property and saying, "Okay this will or won't work," and finding the best site. And just doing that footwork. And then it can come back to us and we can look at it and say, "Is this really possible or not?" So I'd like to...I guess... make a motion that we direct Community Development to work with AHHA (or I don't know if there's anybody else that's interested. But at this point it's AHHA.) to start the groundwork to make this happen because it could take many months just to get all the details back so that we could say, "Yeah that's a good idea and AHHA could have more details on their funding. So I was kind of rambling. Susan Ornelas: Yeah, you know we've been talking about this and talking about this. And there's there's some interest in seeing something move forward. Actually see something Paul Pitino: Right Susan Ornelas: See how it works. Check it out. There is an element of...you know...I feel like I don't know if I'm broken down enough I'm like...okay okay. There's also just a sense of yeah... you know... we would like to see it happen...in a sense. You know...we'd like to check it out,,, see if it can work. And I want to just thank you for the work you've put into this. I can see that you've put thought and and you know it's not just a fly-by-night idea. You've been really thinking about this for a while and so I just want to thank you for that. Sofia Pereira: Just a couple things and I'm not opposed to gathering more information. Some of the areas that I'm kind of more interested in getting some more information on is given that we don't have any of this service partners here. I'd be really interested to kind of hear more about what they envision. And if they have any particular thoughts to share about this proposal. I am interested to kind of hear more about... I think for me it would just be really great to know if we're even saying we're expressing an interest in this if you can kind of go back to these potential grantors to people who've said they want to donate money . I just really want to be able to see a hundred thousand dollars. Here's a breakdown of the potential granters for it. Here's how likely those grantors are. When does that funding come in? And here's how many pledges we have from individuals and businesses. For me you know it's if we're gonna move forward with this then I need to be able to see that level of detail on it. And I think that's reasonable given that this would be providing you know government property to do this... taxpayer-funded property So I think it's only fair to have that level of detail back. And then I'm also just curious... I think it's great you've already started having these conversations with adjacent neighbors. And the research I've done...I mean I went to that presentation in 2014. And I've gone to different conferences that have talked about these types of villages is...is you know how important the community engagement is and working with the neighbors and getting that buy-in. And I guess I'm just feeling a little hesitant to to have this like official endorsement on behalf of the city recognizing that there's still that community building work that needs to happen there. And I guess what I would hate to see happen is that then it seems like the city has already made a decision and this is moving forward and I want you to be able to have those conversations and and get those.... What are those concerns that are coming up? And I'm not saying that that's a make or break it. But given that there's a couple other things I'd want some more information on I think that's just another component of it. So it's not just that one thing on its own but kind of those other pieces that I just want some more information on. Not saying that trying to prevent any conversations with staff. But I think those are the things that are kind of holding me up before saying like, "Yeah let's really like move forward on creating a plan." Susan Ornelas: Yeah I hear you because I think also you know the city giving whatever approval....then people think the city is doing it. Yeah you know and it could happen that way. So you don't want to give the impression that we've made this absolute decision when you're still approaching neighbors and trying to talk in a creative way. But we do want to see it move forward. So what do we want to do? Michael Winkler: The other one is that you have a lot of obligations now. And so I think to the City Manager and Community Development Director, what level of commitment could you potentially make to the amount of time or budget to this process and how does that fit in with existing commitments and priorities. When should that be decided? Should that be decided now or should it be decided at the time of goal-setting is the other question, too. Karen Diemer (City Manager): Yeah I think we just really need to have an understanding of the council's priorities in terms of the projects. But I'd be happy to work with the Community Development Director just to outline what's sort of left on the plate that was funded this year. What that timeline looks like. Where this potentially could fit in. And if it was moved up in priority what would get pushed? And if it was you know placed in priority at a level that didn't push projects and we could bring that back for you to review. Sofia Pereira: I personally would find that helpful. know that's one of the things we've been talking a lot about is you know we've had so many different things that have kind of come up not as planned. And for me I really just want to make sure that nothing's kind of fallen off off the plate in that area, too. So this may still be something that we are able to fit in for this fiscal year. But I just you bringing that up reminds me that like... yes like I want to make sure that we know what has to be stepped back in order for this to move forward. And that [mean may] decide that that's the right decision. But I think having that fuller picture would just be helpful. And then also because I feel like there's this other these other pieces that I would at least personally and I think would be useful information to have. That's something on the staff level that can be happening in the meantime too. Nezzie Wade: Can I just say one thing? I'm getting a mixed message. I'm not real clear. And what I'm getting a mixed message about is... You would like us to do some community building and work with the neighbors and stuff. But if we aren't going to have a site to do that... it puts us kind of in a position where we really don't know what to do. And we've just... what we left that conversation with recognizing that there may be a different site that might work better than this one. And so that leaves us in a position where we have nothing to do. And I don't ever want to be in a position where I have nothing to do about it. So if you can help clarify that would be good. David Loya: And if I could just offer that I sit with Nezzie and Brett actually, too, on the community housing group that's looking at affordable housing and and equity issues as well. And so you know I can tell you that we've also been working informally talking and touching bases and considering this project. So I think that... you know...I recognize the concern if you don't know exactly where the site is you don't want to do a bunch of legwork outreach if that's not going to be the site. There's...you know...if AHHA's willing to do the majority of the outreach and leg work in the early planning we can at least without bumping all the other priorities that we have continue the conversation and keep it moving forward and identifying what the next steps are. Either through the housing group or...you know...separate meetings. Susan Ornelas: So do you feel that you could work with AHHA to kind of look at other potential properties? Or does that seem like something or is that that too much work that we were just talking about earlier? David Loya: You know I think that we could probably easily generate a list of city-owned properties. That's pretty easy. So yeah we can at least do that legwork. And then you knowwithout diverting too much of the the department's work at this point there'd still be something for AHHA to do - you know-to continue to either outreach and or you know evaluating based on their criteria and the things that they're thinking about whether or not the site is suitable. And we can continue the conversation I think. Susan Ornelas: And I guess we can't really bring it to Planning Commission until there's a site? David Loya: That's right. Paul Pitino: The one thing that could happen in planning is visualizing what that ordinance would look like to allow this kind of project. It's not site-specific. You know what I'm saying. So up in Eugene, they've got this ordinance. It says, Here, if you want to do this project here's what you have to do to meet the city codes to do it. And it applies to the whole city. The ordinance would be separate of the site. David Loya: That is true. That is definitely getting into a work plan. And I'd want to confer with Karen on that. Paul Pitino: Yeah it's just another another path that has to be gone down. David Loya: Absolutely. Sofia Pereira: One thing I will just say. The proposal has been kind of around this site. Perhaps there's some other City properties that are better suited for it. But I still think in terms of some of my points around information around service partners and getting that feedback. And still I think even with the fundraising. I think even if you're able to show there's public record of us saying, "Yeah let's talk about this more." So I think the fundraising piece and getting those pledges and kind of getting that funding break down I think those are still things that can happen in the meantime. Susan Ornelas: How about the wetness of that site. I mean is it really wet? So it's really wet. So, it's really not the place that camping could occur okay. So that's a thought. David Loya: There are definitely some drainage issues out there that we'd have to correct. The site hasn't been maintained. And Nezzie is correct. The road pathway when Emraan(?sp) built his second phase, he was required to rough in the road that's a common road. Ultimately there's an easement where that road is. And so there's a common road so that road was roughed in and it does probably impound water on the site. Edie Jessup: Sofia I want to just address the funding issues. Once again. We have applied for grants with very positive response except that we don't have a site. And so to go to them and say again we could go to them again and say if we had a site would you and can you write that down. But that's probably not the way it would work. So having a site... Really I mean I can generate a list of those entities. Sofia Pereira: Yes, that's what I'm asking for. Here's the types of grants we've applied for. Edie Jessup: I can do that. I can do. Sofia Pereira: Is that making up $50,000? Is that $80,000? And then what's the breakdown of pledges for that other portion of it. That's really want to see. I understand. I mean I work for a non-profit. Edie Jessup: Alright those things I can do. And the detailed budget. I've got detailed okay where we've costed. They can send all of that for you. So we can do it. Susan Ornelas: Maybe this is what you're asking for. But it got me thinking about the list of partners. You know like sort of a list of partners and what their role would be. Edie Jessup: And we can certainly do that. And all of those that we listed on the slide, there are many more. But we do have letters of support from all of them. So we can do all those things very quickly. Michael Winkler: Well and also in the letters of support it isn't just for them to say if they support but for them to say what commitment of resources to devote to the project. Edie Jessup: And that is what they have done. So Susan Ornelas: So I suppose to sum up where we're at. We are going to generate a list of city properties. And then maybe can be given to all of us and we can all look at them and think about it. The Little Lakes is in the coastal zone...right. So that would have to go through coastal zones stuff too. David Loya: Yes. It's also a stone's throw from ABC. Susan Ornelas: Yeah okay that's true. Then you'll be working on some of these laying out a little bit more information Paul Pitino: And I guess we can kind of look at bringing it back with this new knowledge that we might have in a few months or two. Susan Ornelas: Yes, I suppose that would work... makes some sense Paul Pitino: So that... you know...so it doesn't just sit out there and you know... Susan Ornelas: Another couple years Paul Pitino: Yeah. [question from audience not able to hear] Susan Ornelas: You could always send stuff to the city manager and then she'll distribute it to all of us. And I think this makes some sense that maybe maybe sort of towards the goal setting time. Something that we put it onto the agenda and we could talk about it again and by then we maybe will have been thinking more so about a lot of different properties around. And could talk to even some private landowners see if they are really interested.
Speaker: I think this is an excellent opportunity for the city. But thirty people. You know that's very small. In our city here, we've got hundreds homeless. That area where it's going to be set up can be up for question. But people are going to need to get to the services in town. They're going to have to get to the doctor. They're gonna have to get to shopping. Things like this. A bus isn't always the easiest way. I have a bicycle on a bike trailer. All my stuff I own is on that. I have to take it with me everywhere. Storage has also got to be a consideration. Sster organizations should be vetted because I have questions on some of the organizations they're associated... AHHA is as ociated with right now. And I'd be glad to write up my ideas and send them to the management... the Arcata management. But you know 30 people, I think it's excellent. I've been working on this issue since 1985. And every year it's put off... it's put off. More things are looked into. What we've got now is an immediate emergency. We need the council. We need the supervisors to declare an emergency. There is a military surplus. We need tents. The UN does it for the people that are ...you know...leaving their country. Why the hell can't we have it here? Why can't we have safe places now with UN tents. They've got mobile bathrooms. Mobile showers. Mobile kitchens. The fire down south. Their hurricanes. This is. I mean it makes good news. But what about the people in the community. They're hundreds not 30. I'll take you down any place in this town. There's hundreds right here in the city. Every community should get together and make a place [safe for them.] Thank you Susan Ornelas: Thank you Anyone else want to address the counsel on this item My name my name is Roy Dalberg. I also work with AHHA and I'm just gonna take a couple of minutes or maybe that's all I have . I guess the clocks not running. I appreciate that. I want to tell you about a meeting I was late for early this week, I went out of my house and I got in my car and I couldn't see anything. So I started my car. And I let it get warm but I went out to do what I do most days which is washi off the window. But my hose was frozen. I couldn't do it. So I had to sit in my car for about five minutes for it to get warm and melt the ice. Well what I want to tell you is that we talked about all the problems that are here. The gentleman who just spoke talks about. I understand there's economic development issues but we shouldn't forget that what we're doing this in December January February. I don't know if it's gonna be a runaway youth...but an old person like me with disabilities. Somebody was damaged in Iraq people are gonna die on your streets. thank you thank you good evening RUDY RAMP: David I guess we don't need you've already gotten some instructions some guidance I think but let me just say you asked for a list of parcels well it's something that we had ah ha have looked at I'm just I'm a friend of AHHA and I go to their General Assembly meetings your man Brian not yours but environmental services the GIS man first class man I asked him for a list of all city-owned properties I had it within a couple of days so if you want it I can send it to you [Laughter] we don't have to wait two months to look at this stuff I hope we can move faster than that and I'm really pleased that I'm hearing that you're looking at you know trying to not abandon this thing again let's keep the ball rolling I think we had a good great presentation tonight you know this is great to hear that you've had this dialogue with nezzie so you're pretty well familiar with it and I just hope we can keep and moving a little bit faster maybe we can meet again at another month you think sometime in January maybe we have we have a few things on the agenda who are kind of agendized out the first gap in the agenda let's get it in there again okay thank you okay thank you I'm Winchell Dillenbeck and I am also an AHHA board member. First and foremost I wanted to thank our presenters . Nezzie, Michael and Edie tonight. A lot of people didn't think that AHHA had the expertise and board members that have years of experience. There's a crisis going on. You can see it. I've been canvassing around in McKinleyville talking to people. There's a crisis . It's more visible than ever. If you looked out today HUD released their report in the Pacific Northwest. A 14% increase in homelessness. And the part of the population that's unsheltered went up 23%. There's a crisis going on and I think one thing they put on that thing here and I hear a lot of talking but it's your job . It's the political will. And it doesn't matter whether this is homelessness or health care or the important issues . We need to do it. It's not going to get any better you know. Income [in]equality grew. It's getting worse and worse. And we have to find solutions. You know I came along on this board and I know these guys have been working a lot longer on this issue we have to start addressing it you know. I don't know what to say you know. I heard people come to this meeting tonight and say they're afraid. I hear it in McKinleyville we need to start addressing these issues now or they're going to get worse. so I urge you to not wait too long to work with our people to get the process going because one village isn't gonna solve the whole problem. thank you anyone else Just to give you some confidence. We're dedicated to working with you. And we are also and your staff to make adjustments when are needed, when are in what's needed. And to satisfy the building and zoning codes or whatever it is that has to happen and the requirements of the departments and whatever entities whoever sees say oversees safe construction and operations and all that. I can't go for very many more meetings honestly without getting to the point where I am going to be just in tears before you. Because we've been doing this for so long and I see people I meet with them every day my phone gets blown up every day by people that are out there and we are the only thing they have and so I just want to encourage you to remember that these are our neighbors. Over 90% of the people that are out there are from our nine five five nine five five zip codes there are kids. There are parents. There are grandparents. They're people who really need a beloved community. And we're the ones that are going to create it because that's all there is. it's time for public comment. So this is a time for the public to comment on this particular agenda item. Speaker: I think this is an excellent opportunity for the city. But thirty people. You know that's very small. In our city here, we've got hundreds homeless. That area where it's going to be set up can be up for question. But people are going to need to get to the services in town. They're going to have to get to the doctor. They're gonna have to get to shopping. Things like this. A bus isn't always the easiest way. I have a bicycle on a bike trailer. All my stuff I own is on that. I have to take it with me everywhere. Storage has also got to be a consideration. Sster organizations should be vetted because I have questions on some of the organizations they're associated... AHHA is as ociated with right now. And I'd be glad to write up my ideas and send them to the management... the Arcata management. But you know 30 people, I think it's excellent. I've been working on this issue since 1985. And every year it's put off... it's put off. More things are looked into. What we've got now is an immediate emergency. We need the council. We need the supervisors to declare an emergency. There is a military surplus. We need tents. The UN does it for the people that are ...you know...leaving their country. Why the hell can't we have it here? Why can't we have safe places now with UN tents. They've got mobile bathrooms. Mobile showers. Mobile kitchens. The fire down south. Their hurricanes. This is. I mean it makes good news. But what about the people in the community. They're hundreds not 30. I'll take you down any place in this town. There's hundreds right here in the city. Every community should get together and make a place [safe for them.] Thank you Susan Ornelas: Thank you Anyone else want to address the counsel on this item My name my name is Roy Dalberg. I also work with AHHA and I'm just gonna take a couple of minutes or maybe that's all I have . I guess the clocks not running. I appreciate that. I want to tell you about a meeting I was late for early this week, I went out of my house and I got in my car and I couldn't see anything. So I started my car. And I let it get warm but I went out to do what I do most days which is washi off the window. But my hose was frozen. I couldn't do it. So I had to sit in my car for about five minutes for it to get warm and melt the ice. Well what I want to tell you is that we talked about all the problems that are here. The gentleman who just spoke talks about. I understand there's economic development issues but we shouldn't forget that what we're doing this in December January February. I don't know if it's gonna be a runaway youth...but an old person like me with disabilities. Somebody was damaged in Iraq people are gonna die on your streets. thank you thank you good evening David I guess we don't need you've already gotten some instructions some guidance I think but let me just say you asked for a list of parcels well it's something that we had ah ha have looked at I'm just I'm a friend of AHHA and I go to their General Assembly meetings your man Brian not yours but environmental services the GIS man first class man I asked him for a list of all city-owned properties I had it within a couple of days so if you want it I can send it to you [Laughter] we don't have to wait two months to look at this stuff I hope we can move faster than that and I'm really pleased that I'm hearing that you're looking at you know trying to not abandon this thing again let's keep the ball rolling I think we had a good great presentation tonight you know this is great to hear that you've had this dialogue with nezzie so you're pretty well familiar with it and I just hope we can keep and moving a little bit faster maybe we can meet again at another month you think sometime in January maybe we have we have a few things on the agenda who are kind of agendized out the first gap in the agenda let's get it in there again okay thank you okay thank you I'm Winchell Dillenbeck and I am also an AHHA board member. First and foremost I wanted to thank our presenters . Nezzie, Michael and Edie tonight. A lot of people didn't think that AHHA had the expertise and board members that have years of experience. There's a crisis going on. You can see it. I've been canvassing around in McKinleyville talking to people. There's a crisis . It's more visible than ever. If you looked out today HUD released their report in the Pacific Northwest. A 14% increase in homelessness. And the part of the population that's unsheltered went up 23%. There's a crisis going on and I think one thing they put on that thing here and I hear a lot of talking but it's your job . It's the political will. And it doesn't matter whether this is homelessness or health care or the important issues . We need to do it. It's not going to get any better you know. Income [in]equality grew. It's getting worse and worse. And we have to find solutions. You know I came along on this board and I know these guys have been working a lot longer on this issue we have to start addressing it you know. I don't know what to say you know. I heard people come to this meeting tonight and say they're afraid. I hear it in McKinleyville we need to start addressing these issues now or they're going to get worse. so I urge you to not wait too long to work with our people to get the process going because one village isn't gonna solve the whole problem. thank you anyone else Just to give you some confidence. We're dedicated to working with you. and we are also... and your staff to make adjustments when are needed, when are in what's needed. And to satisfy the building and zoning codes or whatever it is that has to happen and the requirements of the departments and whatever entities whoever sees say oversees safe construction and operations and all that. I can't go for very many more meetings honestly without getting to the point where I am going to be just in tears before you. Because we've been doing this for so long and I see people I meet with them every day my phone gets blown up every day by people that are out there and we are the only thing they have and so I just want to encourage you to remember that these are our neighbors. Over 90% of the people that are out there are from our nine five five nine five five zip codes there are kids. There are parents. There are grandparents. They're people who really need a beloved community. And we're the ones that are going to create it because that's all there is. Susan Ornelas: Okay thank you. Anyone else want to address the council on this agenda item. Speaker: If you really want something to happen, you can figure out how to make it happen. And I think that's an attitude that I'm not quite hearing from the city yet. But I think that's the commitment that's needed and it'll work. It'll happen. So I'm just supporting that. Susan Ornelas: Okay thank you Edie Jessup: Very quickly. This proposed village is going to save the city money. It's going to save police work. It's going to save health work. What the health providers are saying. It's going to save emergency room response. It is going to save the community money. PART D
CITY COUNCIL'S CLOSING REMARKS Susan Ornelas:: Okay thanks Is that all? Anyone else? Okay I'll close public comment. It's closed now. [ ] wait till the end]. Susan Ornelas: Okay so we have a bit of a plan. Rudy's gonna get us the list. [ ] And we could maybe get that Eugene ordinance to kind of look at that as a basis. And we'll just maybe... We'll just see if as soon as we can get this back in onto the agenda. And we'll let you know. And you guys will work on laying out what your partners... who your partners are... and (what your and) what their commitment is to doing on this project. And then some of the potential funding resources. And I mean I kind of know how you feel about that because I'm a grant writer, too. So I realize it's hard to kind ask for funds. But anyway. Okay so I think that's as far as we can take that right now. But thank you. Thank you for your presentation. And I think we ... I think what this is is us moving forward in some type of positive way. And I realize that doesn't sound as determined as you probably want to hear it. But I think at this point that's as much commitment as we can give to that. [In background, can't hear but sounds like council is being thanked.] Susan Ornelas: So yeah and thank you. Sofia Pereira:: And I just wanted to say really quick. I just want to say that my questions are really about to make something like this successful. So I hope that can come across that you know the issues around fundraising and having the community support... I mean right now this is a very friendly crowd. But moving forward like this is gonna meet a lot of resistance and a lot of these questions are going to come up. So I want to make sure that these questions are just getting answered as as soon as possible. So, anyway, I just wanted to make that clear. So I realize it's hard to kind ask for funds. But anyway. Okay so I think that's as far as we can take that right now. But thank you. Thank you for your presentation. And I think we ... I think what this is is us moving forward in some type of positive way. And I realize that doesn't sound as determined as you probably want to hear it. But I think at this point that's as much commitment as we can give to that. [In background, can't hear but sounds like council is being thanked.] Susan Ornelas: So yeah and thank you. Sofia Pereira: And I just wanted to say really quick. I just want to say that my questions are really about to make something like this successful. So I hope that can come across that you know the issues around fundraising and having the community support... I mean right now this is a very friendly crowd. But moving forward like this is gonna meet a lot of resistance and a lot of these questions are going to come up. So I want to make sure that these questions are just getting answered as as soon as possible. So, anyway, I just wanted to make that clear. ________________ ********* HOW MADE DECISIONS FOR TRANSCRIPTION.... (In some transcriptions intended for historical/legal use have included every word. But in this case, not intended create an historical record...but to increase understanding of responses. If questions.... PLEASE view the presentaiton on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjZHecIAbs&feature=youtu.be [indicate couldn't hear words clearly. Sometimes indicate what it sounded like and could be possible choice] {sometimes (not often) insert words that were likely intended and include for clarity} (on accasion use parentheses when words may be consfusing (of the kind we all use and no reflections on speaker. Or appear not to be intended word.) And at times just removed words like "you know" or words repeated or other words that didn't relate to actual statements. Invite anyone with questions to review video recorded version.. You can view the presentation on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjZHecIAbs&feature=youtu.be <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjZHecIAbs&feature=youtu.be> . |